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Amongst the old family photographs that I've been sorting out, I found one of my mother's Uncle Jack. He's middle aged, with receding hair and a nice if rather solemn face. He looks like the old-fashioned stereotype of a bank clerk; I don't know whether or not he was originally, but that isn't how he ended up.

My mother's family was Anglican rather than Methodist, so they weren't quite as horrified as they might have been when he married a Catholic, but they were horrified enough. The main sticking points were that he would have to promise that all children would be brought up as Catholic, and if it were a difficult birth her life would be sacrificed to ensure that the baby survived, if only just long enough to be baptized.

This all turned out to be ironically academic, as it turned out that she couldnn't have children. Her priest told him that they should therefore never have sex again, as if procreation was impossible it would be sinful. Since he wasn't a Catholic the priest didn't think he could be trusted if he stayed in the same house so he should move out - as far away as possible. Uncle Jack did as he was told, and went really far away, to the West coast of Canada. And that's where he stayed for the rest of his life, sending money back to his wife, but living well on what was left: he worked as cook in lumber camps for half the year, and spent the other half in the best hotels in Vancouver.

People I have told this to have been shocked and told me that no Catholic priest would say such a thing. Maybe not in their lifetimes, or their parents', but around the end of the 19th/beginning of the 20th centuries, it happened.

Which brings me to my daughter's civil partnership. I found it offensive that on the wall of the registrar's office, apparently a fixture that had been there for years, was a notice stating that a marriage could only take place between a man and a woman. I was happy with the ceremony itself (though I would dearly like to know who handed the meerkat hand puppet to a certain person), but the rigorous divide saddened me.

Because if the function of marriage is procreation, there are whole categories of people who should never be able to marry, including any woman past the menopause. Yet every now and then there are wedding pictures in the local press of a pair of pensioners. I'm having problems phrasing this, but in my view anyone who opposes same sex marriage falls into the same category as that priest.

Date: 2012-02-19 08:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liadnan
Doesn't seem to be on the list for us now unless I'm missing it: Canons 1040-49

On the marriage one, antecedent impotence is grounds for nullity if certain, whether known and disclosed or not, but a distinction is made between that and sterility, which is not: Canon 1084. All subject to canon 1098, material non-disclosure is always a ground.

I confess that it continues to escape me how the underlying logic of this, obviously ascribing importance and sacramental relevance to sexual acts going beyond the mere question of procreation, fits with the ban on gay marriage.

But then that's always struck me about JPII's Theology of the Body, to which that is a key idea (and which is full of lots of surprisingly good stuff, particularly on objectification), and no one would suggest he was in favour of gay marriage. (JPII was setting out his ideas on that theme at the same time as the current code was being drafted).

(I did, incidentally, have to look it up, IAALBNACL)

(While I understand why it's like that, I do wish the official trans of the CCL into English wasn't in such a near-incomprehensible technical dialect)

From your link:

Date: 2012-02-19 11:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mme_hardy
Can. 1090 §1. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person’s spouse or of one’s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.

Good to know.

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